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Sunny (talk|edits) said:

27 September 2008
I am looking at an IRS assessment letter for interest on underpayments from 2001. The notice calculates the interest using a "Factor". I know it is coming from a table and I have seen it before but I just can't find it anymore!

What is it called exactly? What search word(s) would you use to look in your tax research programs (BNA or Kleinrock). Please help and thank you in advance.

Riley2 (talk|edits) said:

28 September 2008
The factors are in Rev. Proc. 95-17.

HAPPY TAX (talk|edits) said:

28 September 2008
Gee, thanks for bringing this up. One of the options in the reports produced by TaxInterest software is to include the Factors for each computation period (i.e., each calendar quarter). So I've got the Factors and know what to do with them, but for the life of me, I've been unable to reverse-engineer the formula that produces the Factors.

To make matters worse, the Help Section of TaxInterest offers this:

"The factor is the result of a formula that is used by the IRS in calculating daily interest. The following algebraic equation represents this formula."

But then the Help function fails to provide the formula. Very frustrating.

Here are a few lines from the TaxInterest report if anyone wants to try his or her hand. The correct interest and new balance can be produced very easily using a spreadsheet or a financial calculator, but so far I haven't been able to decypher the Factor formula.

Tax = $10,000.00, due 04-15-02.

Interest thru 06-30-02: 76 Days, Interest Rate = 6.00%, Factor = 0.012570476. Interest = $125.70. New Balance = $10,125.70.

Interest thru 09-30-02: 92 Days, Interest Rate = 6.00%, Factor = 0.015236961. Interest = $154.28. New Balance = $10,279.98.

Interest thru 12-31-02: 92 Days, Interest Rate = 6.00%, Factor = 0.015236961. Interest = $156.64. New Balance = $10,436.62.

Interest thru 03-31-03: 90 Days, Interest Rate = 5.00%, Factor = 0.012404225. Interest = $129.46. New Balance = $10,566.08.

Maybe the formula is in Rev Proc 95-17, but so far I haven't been able to find that either. I know it's going to be something easy once I figure it out or someone tells me.

PS: I know this comes under the heading of "why bother?" or "who cares?" but inquiring minds want to know. At least mine does.

Riley2 (talk|edits) said:

28 September 2008
The formula is very simple.

[(1+i)^n] – 1 Where i = daily interest factor and n = number of days.

If you enter 92 days at 6 percent into the above formula, you will get a factor of 0.0152369614444479, which corresponds to what you would find in Rev Proc 95-17 (although the tables round off to 0.015236961).

HAPPY TAX (talk|edits) said:

28 September 2008
See? I knew it would be simple. Kind of like, E=mc^2. Thanks so much.

Sunny (talk|edits) said:

28 September 2008
Thank you, Riley.

In the IRS "490 Activity Summary" I am reading, the interest for 3-31-2005 to 10-1-2008 as a one-line item and the factor used is 0.281375755. How did they arrive at this number?

The rate for that time period ranges from 5% to 8% and I'd think the factors would be very different. And the tables such as Table 21 for 8% only has 184 days. Please advice again.

Trillium (talk|edits) said:

28 September 2008
Sunny, it's (each quarterly factor + 1) multiplied against each other, minus 1.

Or, more technically, [(1+i1)^n1 * (1+i2)^n2 * (1+i3)^n3 * . . . * (1+in)^nn ] – 1

(where the subscript 1 through n represent each of the quarters/applicable periods in your total elapsed period, with subscript n being the last, or "nth" separate period - e.g., for you, subscript n=16 if you're looking up factors by calendar quarter).

Using the example from Happy Tax - the factor for the period from 4-15-02 to 3-31-03 would be: 1.012570476*1.015236961* 1.015236961*1.012404225 = 1.056608379 -1 = 0.056608379.

Riley2 (talk|edits) said:

28 September 2008
Sunny, I agree with Trillium's analysis shown above.

I plugged the dates you provided into my computer and I calculated a factor of 0.28137575525794. Following are the interest rates for the applicable time period.


Oct. 1, 2008-Dec. 31, 2008 6%
July 1, 2008-Sept. 30, 2008 5%
Apr. 1, 2008-June 30, 2008 6%
Jan. 1, 2008-March 31, 2008 7%
July 1, 2006-Dec. 31, 2007 8%
Oct. 1, 2005-June 30, 2006 7%
July 1, 2005-Sept. 30, 2005 6%
Apr. 1, 2005-June 30, 2005 6%
Mar 31, 2005-Mar 31, 2005 5%

Okie1tax (talk|edits) said:

28 September 2008
Happy Tax, I could not find the rev proc itself either, but I did find this -www.dol.gov/ebsa/pdf/factortable1L.pdf - from the dept of labor. It is an adaptation of the rev proc.

Sunny (talk|edits) said:

29 September 2008
Thank you everyone. I learn something new each day from this forum. Have a great week!

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